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I sit down with Roy Marsh a long time friend now the owner of Gracie Swarzwald in Villingen, Germany. We discuss proper mindset for training Jiu-Jitsu and the ability to explore multiple facets of our great art. He has a ton of experience training many people in many walks of life. Our conversation brings us to some truisms concerning sport vs self defense and the ability to convey what we know to those who need to know. In the end it is the teacher that holds the key. Thank you Roy!!

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